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THE ULTIMATE FIGHT!
by MarcoNecroX Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:05 pm
NATASHA vs. BROTHER LAZ
better video: http://www.medianxl.com/t816-speedrun-brother-laz
The ultimative fight has begun..! Anyways I felt like I'd post this here since some strategy input to players
would never hurt... considering there was no video after omega 003 killing laz, taking into account that he
got a greater hp buff (x4 or x8 ?). So yeah thought it would be interesting to see...
As usual, the list of things I didn't do (just for reference, doesnt really matter)
- no summons
- no invulnerability spells
- no adrenaline pots
- no lame lionheart or w/e cotws
- no fire shrines
- no multiplayer cheese (easiest way to do laz btw)
- no cuts in video
- etc..
Alright, to kill laz there are a few things that we should be aiming before we can jump directly to pure vit/block etc:
GEAR CHECK
SLOW
Ok this is an important aspect, 50% slow is cap for bosses. Why is slow useful? Well it is obvious
it will reduce his overall speed, making him a lot easier to control. We can have either 50% slow
or 50% melee slow, it doesn't matter. How to achieve this amount is nothing more than a docs
check, find what you can afford. Btw I strongly recomend weapon crafts as they can get 30%
slow.
Weapon example: https://i.imgur.com/HxTKq.jpg
RUN / WALK SPEED
Alright speeds are another factor we need to have in mind when fighting such boss. First of all,
run/walk speed is very important. We need to have a faster r/w than the speed Laz can follow
us around the map with teleport. This is the core of the uber pretty much, basically we need
to HAVE CONTROL over his and our movements. Btw high run/walk speeds can be easily achieved
by almost all class except necro. So don't try it with necro unless you got a bunch of jewels
with %frw.
OTHER ANIMRATES
Okay after taking care of this, it is important to take into account hit recovery & block recovery
rates. I was able to cover these two values (almost 200 for both in case of assassin) with jewels,
jewelcrafts here are godly. Why do we need these speeds? easy, we want at all costs, not mess
up. This depends on whether you can fix your mess like I show in the video or you can't.
Doing that isn't easy by the way, it's easy to completely screw up if your body ends up in a bad
position.
REMOVING UNWANTED STATS
Next thing to have in mind is... we don't want ANY proc in our gear. Not a single one, not even
apocalypse from our overpowered +50 stats +3 skills flame medallion. Simply because we don't
want to again, loose control of our actions (read as: black hand totem).
THE OTHER GEAR CHECKS
We need 100% open wounds. This is really useful to take his health down considerably. This is
probably a stat we require, and thankfully our butcher charm covers half. You can cover the rest
with uniques such as ripstar ring (50% ow). Other than that there are no relevant gear checks
other than full hp / max block. Curse reduction doesn't work like people have been saying for ages,
culling of the herd debuff (same astrogha uses) is a debuff not a CURSE... So yeah.
MONSTERS
Now we are done with our gear check basics. I personally didn't use too expensive gear,
best results are obtained from PURELY CRAFT EVERYTHING, because we can tweak our
deffensive stats as high as possible, and uniques in most cases gives us stuff we won't
really care now (like procs, or pierce, or heal after kill). Let's take a look at the uber's
basics:
BLACK HAND TOTEMS
Summoned by brother laz, these totems are NO HARM for us if we don't accidentally mis-click
them and if you're doing this quest that shouldn't happen imo. These totems are only checks
for stupid people that would fail inevitably (totems can kill 100% avoid chars btw). What do these
totems do? They cast tremor and leave you with no life. There is no way to dodge this, and
by the way they use a TWEAKED TREMOR that adds flat damage too, so if we don't have
enough health regen these totems can even kill us. On death they cast CotH which basically
makes us get instagibbed, but this isn't a real problem.
GROUPIES
Okay these guys were taking about 1/3 hp of my 16k hp assassin in a single hit, these
guys are however slow and kind of stupid so it's no problem. They cast a dagger with poison
damage and then approach melee range. As a matter of fact they can even be useful
for some quick health refill or applying buffs like shadow refuge.
BROTHER LAZ
His AI can see you at a very large range, this is the trickiest thing in the uber, being unable
to breath. But agian we can cover this with a lot of FRW. After this, we need to hit laz
with purify (and melee hit for %OW afterwards) after he BLINKED at us. He blinks and
uses singularity / deathstrike almost instantly, so in such short temrs you need to purify
and apply open wounds via melee attack. Once you can do this, and repeat it, there are no
other secrets for this uber.
MAP
The map is always the same but there are two shrines, if we find one that is called 'FIRE'
then it will reduce all nearby monster / player health by 50% so this can be a really useful
thing, but rolling map can take some time so my personal taste is to ignore it. Also, portal
shrines are kind of useful too if you can't clean up your mess.
STRATEGY
SIDE PROBLEM
Alright, we suppose we are on Single Player, so there is no other player to give us a double TP
or taking care of killing trash after us. So what is our big problem here? TRASH! What does this
mean, we are going to design a route for laz, and this is purely PERSONAL taste, taking a big
route without repeat is the most succesful way to beat laz, however in the video I'm going to show
a shortened route to teach you how to "clear the mess". Basically, we take laz taking a route like
this:
A ---> A1 ----> A2 ----> B
Simulating A# is a succesful purify hit. Once we got laz to 'B' we need to repeat the cycle. But
in such case, there will be alot of groupies / totems between the paths that will block our way.
Here there are a lot of options, I wanted to be creative so I took an underused item, the
SSSU ancient armor (bunch of death procs). We don't need this, we only need something in our
gear switch that will allow us to kill groupies no problem, as assassin for example we have a bunch
of skill points left so best option here is way of the spider. There are INFINITE ways to do this.
Once we are done doing the clean-up, we are going to invert the route, like this:
A<---B2<------B1<-------B
We slowly approach to B, and take laz back in the route, with some succesful purifies. Depending
on your luck here will decide how many routes will be needed. Again, the longer the route you can
handle, the BETTER, but it is easy to mess up with things like town portal (crucial in SP), so better
safe than sorry.
In the video, I choose the southern path. Alright, it is not the best option but it does the stuff.
What is bad about this path is that if laz teleports to you in the direction of the clean path, it can
be very tricky to avoid the death. Again I choose this path because I can handle it just fine,
if we choose a bigger path (big rooms) it is easy to do stupid mistakes like clicking totems.
But again, it is up to any player to choose the path they want.
VIDEO
Alright, I know it all ! let's go with the BATTLE!
Like I said, I did video in hurry (leaving for 2 weeks) but it should be overall ok.
Btw only 300 points in dex rest are all in STRENGTH... yes I had vitality but I had
to wear my sssu ancient armor so I respecced all points and kept the video like
that for the end.
Alright, video was made overall for teaching and for fun, not strictly to show off
or stuff like that. I will be away for 2 weeks for holiday trip, and maybe when I get
back I post a professional kill
but again there are many factors that can make
this uber just a cake like fire shrine or multiplayer abuse.
See you in two weeks!
Marco
better video: http://www.medianxl.com/t816-speedrun-brother-laz
The ultimative fight has begun..! Anyways I felt like I'd post this here since some strategy input to players
would never hurt... considering there was no video after omega 003 killing laz, taking into account that he
got a greater hp buff (x4 or x8 ?). So yeah thought it would be interesting to see...
As usual, the list of things I didn't do (just for reference, doesnt really matter)
- no summons
- no invulnerability spells
- no adrenaline pots
- no lame lionheart or w/e cotws
- no fire shrines
- no multiplayer cheese (easiest way to do laz btw)
- no cuts in video
- etc..
Alright, to kill laz there are a few things that we should be aiming before we can jump directly to pure vit/block etc:
GEAR CHECK
SLOW
Ok this is an important aspect, 50% slow is cap for bosses. Why is slow useful? Well it is obvious
it will reduce his overall speed, making him a lot easier to control. We can have either 50% slow
or 50% melee slow, it doesn't matter. How to achieve this amount is nothing more than a docs
check, find what you can afford. Btw I strongly recomend weapon crafts as they can get 30%
slow.
Weapon example: https://i.imgur.com/HxTKq.jpg
RUN / WALK SPEED
Alright speeds are another factor we need to have in mind when fighting such boss. First of all,
run/walk speed is very important. We need to have a faster r/w than the speed Laz can follow
us around the map with teleport. This is the core of the uber pretty much, basically we need
to HAVE CONTROL over his and our movements. Btw high run/walk speeds can be easily achieved
by almost all class except necro. So don't try it with necro unless you got a bunch of jewels
with %frw.
OTHER ANIMRATES
Okay after taking care of this, it is important to take into account hit recovery & block recovery
rates. I was able to cover these two values (almost 200 for both in case of assassin) with jewels,
jewelcrafts here are godly. Why do we need these speeds? easy, we want at all costs, not mess
up. This depends on whether you can fix your mess like I show in the video or you can't.
Doing that isn't easy by the way, it's easy to completely screw up if your body ends up in a bad
position.
REMOVING UNWANTED STATS
Next thing to have in mind is... we don't want ANY proc in our gear. Not a single one, not even
apocalypse from our overpowered +50 stats +3 skills flame medallion. Simply because we don't
want to again, loose control of our actions (read as: black hand totem).
THE OTHER GEAR CHECKS
We need 100% open wounds. This is really useful to take his health down considerably. This is
probably a stat we require, and thankfully our butcher charm covers half. You can cover the rest
with uniques such as ripstar ring (50% ow). Other than that there are no relevant gear checks
other than full hp / max block. Curse reduction doesn't work like people have been saying for ages,
culling of the herd debuff (same astrogha uses) is a debuff not a CURSE... So yeah.
MONSTERS
Now we are done with our gear check basics. I personally didn't use too expensive gear,
best results are obtained from PURELY CRAFT EVERYTHING, because we can tweak our
deffensive stats as high as possible, and uniques in most cases gives us stuff we won't
really care now (like procs, or pierce, or heal after kill). Let's take a look at the uber's
basics:
BLACK HAND TOTEMS
Summoned by brother laz, these totems are NO HARM for us if we don't accidentally mis-click
them and if you're doing this quest that shouldn't happen imo. These totems are only checks
for stupid people that would fail inevitably (totems can kill 100% avoid chars btw). What do these
totems do? They cast tremor and leave you with no life. There is no way to dodge this, and
by the way they use a TWEAKED TREMOR that adds flat damage too, so if we don't have
enough health regen these totems can even kill us. On death they cast CotH which basically
makes us get instagibbed, but this isn't a real problem.
GROUPIES
Okay these guys were taking about 1/3 hp of my 16k hp assassin in a single hit, these
guys are however slow and kind of stupid so it's no problem. They cast a dagger with poison
damage and then approach melee range. As a matter of fact they can even be useful
for some quick health refill or applying buffs like shadow refuge.
BROTHER LAZ
His AI can see you at a very large range, this is the trickiest thing in the uber, being unable
to breath. But agian we can cover this with a lot of FRW. After this, we need to hit laz
with purify (and melee hit for %OW afterwards) after he BLINKED at us. He blinks and
uses singularity / deathstrike almost instantly, so in such short temrs you need to purify
and apply open wounds via melee attack. Once you can do this, and repeat it, there are no
other secrets for this uber.
MAP
The map is always the same but there are two shrines, if we find one that is called 'FIRE'
then it will reduce all nearby monster / player health by 50% so this can be a really useful
thing, but rolling map can take some time so my personal taste is to ignore it. Also, portal
shrines are kind of useful too if you can't clean up your mess.
STRATEGY
SIDE PROBLEM
Alright, we suppose we are on Single Player, so there is no other player to give us a double TP
or taking care of killing trash after us. So what is our big problem here? TRASH! What does this
mean, we are going to design a route for laz, and this is purely PERSONAL taste, taking a big
route without repeat is the most succesful way to beat laz, however in the video I'm going to show
a shortened route to teach you how to "clear the mess". Basically, we take laz taking a route like
this:
A ---> A1 ----> A2 ----> B
Simulating A# is a succesful purify hit. Once we got laz to 'B' we need to repeat the cycle. But
in such case, there will be alot of groupies / totems between the paths that will block our way.
Here there are a lot of options, I wanted to be creative so I took an underused item, the
SSSU ancient armor (bunch of death procs). We don't need this, we only need something in our
gear switch that will allow us to kill groupies no problem, as assassin for example we have a bunch
of skill points left so best option here is way of the spider. There are INFINITE ways to do this.
Once we are done doing the clean-up, we are going to invert the route, like this:
A<---B2<------B1<-------B
We slowly approach to B, and take laz back in the route, with some succesful purifies. Depending
on your luck here will decide how many routes will be needed. Again, the longer the route you can
handle, the BETTER, but it is easy to mess up with things like town portal (crucial in SP), so better
safe than sorry.
In the video, I choose the southern path. Alright, it is not the best option but it does the stuff.
What is bad about this path is that if laz teleports to you in the direction of the clean path, it can
be very tricky to avoid the death. Again I choose this path because I can handle it just fine,
if we choose a bigger path (big rooms) it is easy to do stupid mistakes like clicking totems.
But again, it is up to any player to choose the path they want.
VIDEO
Alright, I know it all ! let's go with the BATTLE!
Like I said, I did video in hurry (leaving for 2 weeks) but it should be overall ok.
Btw only 300 points in dex rest are all in STRENGTH... yes I had vitality but I had
to wear my sssu ancient armor so I respecced all points and kept the video like
that for the end.
Alright, video was made overall for teaching and for fun, not strictly to show off
or stuff like that. I will be away for 2 weeks for holiday trip, and maybe when I get
back I post a professional kill
but again there are many factors that can makethis uber just a cake like fire shrine or multiplayer abuse.
See you in two weeks!
Marco
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Re: THE ULTIMATE FIGHT!
by RollsRoyce Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:23 pm
Have a nice holiday !
Btw video is good, and it shows the idea behind this, i still prefer using fire shrine as you can actually kill him in 1 turn (no totem clearing).
It was kinda funny to watch however, sometimes you did really great and landed 1 hit and were able to escape while on the other hand sometimes you lured him almost half the way around all the time.
by the times i know laz is about to blink on me, these are the parts were my hands start to sweat and my heart starts beating alot faster.
nice vid, now we are waiting for stoya to record his version and then im going to make a vid of my version how to kill laz
Btw video is good, and it shows the idea behind this, i still prefer using fire shrine as you can actually kill him in 1 turn (no totem clearing).
It was kinda funny to watch however, sometimes you did really great and landed 1 hit and were able to escape while on the other hand sometimes you lured him almost half the way around all the time.
by the times i know laz is about to blink on me, these are the parts were my hands start to sweat and my heart starts beating alot faster.
nice vid, now we are waiting for stoya to record his version and then im going to make a vid of my version how to kill laz 
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Re: THE ULTIMATE FIGHT!
by MUS01 Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:23 pm
Great... Good new hear Marco. See you in 2 weeks...
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Re: THE ULTIMATE FIGHT!
by MarcoNecroX Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:26 pm
@Rolls: err no! this video doesn't qualify for a contest, I want a second chance when I get back
Like I mentioned video is done that way on purpose, i'm trying to over exaggerate the cores of the uber like frw (rapture proc + demonic proc + shadow refuge = wtf?) and doing cleanups (sssu ancient armor), when I get back I'll either make a paladin to do this without deaths in 2-3 min or maybe I go do some other hard uberquests and teach stoya how to play this game
either way, there are no hard ubers!
Like I mentioned video is done that way on purpose, i'm trying to over exaggerate the cores of the uber like frw (rapture proc + demonic proc + shadow refuge = wtf?) and doing cleanups (sssu ancient armor), when I get back I'll either make a paladin to do this without deaths in 2-3 min or maybe I go do some other hard uberquests and teach stoya how to play this game
either way, there are no hard ubers!
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Re: THE ULTIMATE FIGHT!
by stoya Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:51 pm
@ marco : if i sit in front of pc more than 10-15mins GIRLFRIEND TOTEM kills me!! nowadays...
have a nice holiday mate.... i will upload some videos before you come back i think..
have a nice holiday mate.... i will upload some videos before you come back i think..
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Re: THE ULTIMATE FIGHT!
by iwansquall Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:15 pm
Wrong term, you shouldve said "Startled Witch"
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Re: THE ULTIMATE FIGHT!
by Fraksu Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:30 pm
Impressive 
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Anyways have a nice holiday MarcoNecroX, everyone deserves a relaxing break every now and then.
!Anyways have a nice holiday MarcoNecroX, everyone deserves a relaxing break every now and then.
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Re: THE ULTIMATE FIGHT!
by Rexxar Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:04 pm
So as I can see, Patience is the most important thing
Have fun, cya.
Have fun, cya.
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Re: THE ULTIMATE FIGHT!
by RollsRoyce Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:55 pm
cookie for anyone who kills laz in 2min without fire shrine
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Re: THE ULTIMATE FIGHT!
by stoya Sun Dec 30, 2012 1:51 pm
RollsRoyce wrote:cookie for anyone who kills laz in 2min without fire shrine
deal...
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